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hey everybody hope you're having a great

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day today uh we're gonna delve into a

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little-known ranch that is basically the

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Skinwalker Ranch of Colorado and this

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was news to me Jay have you ever heard

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of this place heard about it a little

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bit when we we spoke with Chuck not too

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long ago but I'm not really familiar

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with the Colorado aspect of this so it's

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it's amazing that this phenomenon is

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taking place at other locations as well

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yeah and uh phenomenon list is very

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similar to Skinwalker Ranch where you

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know it's not just lights or craft

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there's Cryptids there's balls of light

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you know Bigfoot crop circles people

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reporting hitchhiker effect and we know

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that you know the Skinwalker Ranch is

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not limited to this phenomena either

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right the whole you into Basin is a hot

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spot we chatted with Avery Tafoya and

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the Hickory Apache nationland they're

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seeing it so this is quite common

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um but we asked Katie to bring us you

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know some video and some imagery which

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will be pretty cool to help kind of uh

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explain it a little better and I think

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Linda Moulton house started this in the

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70s with her reporting of Colorado

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cattle mutilation pioneering she's just

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passing clearly yeah and we're chatting

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with her soon enough too and we're going

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to ask her about that so Katie page is a

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member of mufon she's a podcast host

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presenter she's going to be a contact in

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the desert wealth of information really

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intelligent well spoken lady yeah yeah

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Katie page from mufon here and uh let's

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roll the music Jay let's do this I'm

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my best buddy Jason

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Gilman hey how's it going going good

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it's uh it's been a cool week we've put

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out a lot of episodes and it's been

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super busy cattle mutilation talk and

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all kinds of you know Arrow hearing was

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a couple weeks ago and so we wanted to

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bring a friend of our show back on again

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uh Katie page for those who don't know

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Katie is an author and investigator

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she's the mufon state director in

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Colorado a host of mufon what's up radio

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show she's appeared on coast to coast

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and she's also writing a new book her

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first book was letters of love and light

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four Decades of UFO encounters and now

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her new book is a high strangeness on a

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Colorado Ranch so she's going to show us

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some cool video and some articles and

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correspondence about this essentially

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this is the Skinwalker Ranch of Colorado

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and uh I think that it needs to be more

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well known so welcome to the show Katie

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it's great to have you thank you so much

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for having me it's a pleasure to be here

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yeah we uh I think we've been chatting

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with quite a few move-on people lately

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we're uh questions member we're always

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supportive we encourage people to get

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involved

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um you know there's good and bad and uh

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everybody's opinion right some show slam

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mufon we're promo fun you know without

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mufon what would we have just oh the

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German and arrow and I don't want to

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think about that so yeah right you know

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there's there's a lot of great

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hard-working Volunteers in Colorado and

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you know Colorado uh Arizona so many

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in need of State directors and in their

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fund groups so

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um if you're interested in that always

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reach out you can find your local States

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and chapters on mufon.com but you know

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we are we're all just volunteers and we

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all have a passion like-minded people we

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meet every other Saturday

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um of every month once a month and we

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bring in speakers and it's just you know

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it's a good organization I've always

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enjoyed being a part of mufon and I like

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their scientific lean as well and think

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that's important history documents all

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that super important in this field yeah

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sure so tell us a bit about yourself and

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what got you interested in the field of

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ufology to begin with yeah like so many

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people I think you know when we're young

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we're growing up and we have unusual

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things that occur to us both you know

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both in ufology and in the Paranormal

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world you know we question those things

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and and like so many people you know you

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go through school you get married have

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children go through college work your

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degrees and those things that happen

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were kind of always in the back of my

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mind left unresolved and really kind of

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got interested in Ghost Hunters way back

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in like the late 90s and uh wondered all

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about those paranormal encounters

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because I had a lot of that go on as

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well in the family in the house and it's

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watching a documentary that I heard

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about mufon for the first time and I

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recalled all these unusual things that

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occurred on a ranch in Colorado and I'm

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like you know what I think I'll become a

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field investigator so when I joined and

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entered into mufon I came right in as a

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field investigator and Doug Wilson was

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the state director at the time and he

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was such a great awesome Mentor

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so many people actually with him mufan

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mentored me and trained me and and that

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and really I kind of joined for selfish

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reasons just to investigate the ranch

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and and what all that was about because

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so many things happened out there I mean

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this was from the years 1975 to 1978

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Linda Moulton Howe at the time was an

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investigative journalist out here in

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Colorado and there was this rash of

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mutilations which by the way they're

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amping up again

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um and so it kind of started there and

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what I really would like the listeners

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to understand is both my mom my sister

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and I my older sister and I we were

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threatened and were never to talk about

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what happened out there we never knew

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anybody investigated it we never knew

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anybody knew anything about it it was

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just like this family secret this heavy

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thing

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and also until skinwalkers at the

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Pentagon came out I kind of

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compartmentalized all these different

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phenomenon the blue orbs the Paranormal

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things the the lucid dreaming the

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psychic kind of stuff the UFO stuff and

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I put them all in these separate little

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boxes the Sasquatch sightings all this

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and it wasn't really until they opened

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that all up and you know even Jacques

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valet talks about you know there's this

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is a much deeper subject than you know

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we're all led to believe like these are

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all intertwined and interconnected and

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that's really what keeps me going and to

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try and find these answers like so many

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and it's a it's an in-depth a thing

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Louie and I you know the more we do this

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podcast we mentioned it several times

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now but it it is almost like a

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university course just to understand the

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basics of what's involved in ufology and

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each

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different topic requires different

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experts different qualifications to be

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able to solve that and even so true and

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it intertwines with daily life as well

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because only does it impact people uh if

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you know it turns out that the

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government does one day come out and say

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hey these things are actually happening

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because even Katie Louie and I were

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talking about that long ago we're saying

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that if the government admits that these

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objects are in their skies and most

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likely they're non-human that means all

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the other topics that we've been

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covering as ufologists for however long

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are valid as well or will become valid

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at some point too they'll have to come

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out and say yes the abduction phenomenon

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is a possibility yes the cattle

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mutilation is a possibility and bullet

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point after bullet point right so true

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and you bring up such a good point I

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mean I mean here in my my library I

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can't really see it but all around me is

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just loaded with books and old magazines

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and you can literally spend a lifetime

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just going back and reading and getting

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caught up on all the Pioneers that came

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before us and you know in writing that

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book Letters of love and light the four

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Decades of UFO encounters um that were

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sent to our Leo sprinkle PhD who was a

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Pioneer in the field for contact these

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abductees and past life regression now

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out of Laramie Wyoming he I learned

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through George Knapp and Kelly hers book

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hunt for the skinwalker he was actually

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out on the Albert County Ranch property

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as one of the investigators along with

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two other phds Peter Van Arsdale and

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John Derr PhD he was a seismologist

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so to learn that there were actually

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people investigating this property was

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mind-blowing to me but what I learned in

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writing that book was in Reading letters

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from people all around the world and

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getting to read Dr sprinkle's

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correspondence with other Professionals

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in the field it's like oh my gosh we're

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always constantly Reinventing the wheel

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like when I think like oh my gosh this

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is the new discovery no it's not they

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were like talking about it in the 60s

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and I think that's the beauty of these

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podcasts and social media and the way we

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all communicate now we don't have to

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spend all those years getting caught up

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because everybody's communicating and

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talking so much faster so we're getting

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you know educated quicker and that's

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kind of the purpose of us doing this

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show we want to give everybody a little

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snippet you know we don't do three hour

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long episodes it's an hour we cover

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multiple angles we have our own opinions

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internally but it's not for us to censor

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that right we're not here to only do

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episodes on things we think are cool if

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we think there's plausible information

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there if we've search the person talking

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we know they're legit it's food for

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thought you you know the viewers does

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what they want with it the the burden of

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proof is not on us I think Ross coaltart

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said when we interviewed him the burden

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of proof's not on the journalists and

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the investigator it's in the Observer to

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make up their own mind take it all in

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don't just take in the side that you

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like because it's easy to kind of throw

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everything away that doesn't fit with

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what you kind of had your your

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pre-conceived notion so it's important

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to take it all in and you go down this

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Rabbit Hole now it's not just nuts and

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bolts craft it's you know Interstellar

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and perhaps Cryptids are related and

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Consciousness and you know ghosts and

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all that stuff maybe they're not all

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separate phenomena as you mentioned

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maybe there is these are just multiple

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species so to speak right it's a very

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general way of saying it this realm

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exists and there's all kinds of stuff

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and I wanted to ask you about the ranch

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because a lot of people don't know about

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it we're probably very familiar with

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skin walker Ranch and that doesn't just

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happen at Skinwalker Ranch in fact the

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whole Uintah Basin and all those areas

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are a hot spot and there are many hot

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spots across the U.S and the world

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really so tell us a little bit about

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this Ranch in Colorado I know you've

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prepared some material as well that we

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think is super cool so feel free to tell

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us about the ranch and show us what you

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got

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well first of all you bring up another

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really great point if somebody tells you

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they have all the answers to something

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run that's right right absolutely the

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Messiah complex that's in ufology is

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unreal yeah and some good people are

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going down that path they're getting

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into the click bait the funny meme

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pictures they're I don't want to say

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they're making a farce of it but as a

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content creator I feel like that I know

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the viewers may not feel that way but

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you know we kind of have our own ethical

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obligation I think to only put out good

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stuff and when you see some of these

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guys that have the following they have

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the the people that love them what they

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do with it is not is not so appetizing

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but we're all in this we're all trying

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to do the same thing and as we learn

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more I mean for me

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um just a little background on the ranch

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um it's important to know I didn't live

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there are full time it's also important

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to know this phenomenon wasn't just

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centrally located on that 60 acre ranch

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property in Albert County Colorado in a

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small town called Kiowa

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but it affected pretty much the whole

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range of Elbert County and I had

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mentioned earlier Linda Moulton Howe

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there was a whole rash of cattle

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mutilations going on at this time not

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only of cattle but of horse and sheep I

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even found newspaper articles about dog

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being mutilated so different animals but

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once I went to Dr sprinkle's archives

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and I pulled all the the information and

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file from the ranch you know it started

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to become clear and one of the first

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questions I had was now how much of this

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was black access military projects that

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were going on at the time we have so

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many military bases that are pretty

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close in proximity to Albert County and

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the town of Kiowa in Colorado Springs I

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think I sent I showed you a map where I

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sent you a map of the different military

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installations but there's the Air Force

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Academy and Camp Carson there's even

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Butte which has one of the nation's

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largest collection of helicopters which

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is a whole other phenomenon is these

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unmarked mysterious helicopters we can

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get into that and and this was just it

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just spiraled into so many different

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areas of research both Cryptid creatures

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these large birds were spotted out there

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Sasquatch creatures were spotted out

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there ET beans craft light orbs circles

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on the ground I mean humming sounds

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these sounds and bangs you know what is

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that all about and as you go through and

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you're trying to to do interviews it's

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so important as an investigator to I

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mean I know it's tempting and a lot of

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the work we do in mufon is you know

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looking at the laptop and going on

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stellarium and heavens above and and

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flight radar and all that but it's also

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just as important when you have a really

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a good case to get out of the house and

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jump in your vehicle and go interviewing

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be on location

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um as as many listeners know you know

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until you really physically get out

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there it's really hard to investigate

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something properly

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um you know and to face-to-face talk

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with people even Zoom it's not the same

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as meeting somebody face to face and so

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I really made an effort to track down a

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lot of these witnesses that and I'm

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still finding them today

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um and do face-to-face interviews with

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them you know and go out there and

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research and really dig on what what all

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of this means and why and you're right

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there's so many different places you

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know Skinwalker Marley Woods Trey Hudson

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who's a great friend of mine the South

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skin walker

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um and there's a really interesting case

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called the Ohio pile creature case so

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out in Pennsylvania you know there's

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just so many of these areas and and

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um I think David Pilates is doing some

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good work with these missing people in

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the missing 4-1-1 and and tie an

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impossible aquifer so when he brought

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that up in his UFO connection film I'm

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like oh is there that under the Albert

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County Ranch and sure enough there sure

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is not only that but two right where the

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ranch sits there's two Aqua right

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together now I don't know how that ties

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in and I'm not a scientist I don't know

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what that means exactly other than I

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know there these locations tend to be

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highly magnetic locations they tend to

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have water around them and maybe it's

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just this magical combination of these

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things military bases are close by

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what's up with that I don't know

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um so all these different things and as

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an investigator and a researcher you

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have to be open-minded to whatever data

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comes your way and whatever you learn

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and be willing to change your mind and

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go a different direction

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you know yeah

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so let's see you got some uh give us

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your your slides there Katie okay got

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some videos let me see if I can do this

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without uh we're hoping you make it a

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light day at the shop for Jason and I

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do you know but this this is cool

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because this as a feature

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um you know as

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um people that are listening to this

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their their interest in in this is as

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high as ours and to be able to actually

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see research and charts and stuff like

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that it gives us data yeah and it it is

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a really cool feature that we you know

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now that the the podcast is is a little

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bit more visual uh if you're in audio

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only mode right now you're missing out

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on the slides we'll try to describe them

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as best as we can but if you get a

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chance go on YouTube and check this out

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this is really cool and Spotify has

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video as well now we're running a video

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on YouTube Spotify but uh yeah it's we

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can talk about these places and have

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people Envision it but having uh you

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know maps and testimony and there's a

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few videos here of uh of um the

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undersheriff at the time in the 70s and

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uh Linda Moulton Howe did do quite a bit

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of work with this back in the day and

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it's like Katie has taken that and

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continued this forward so so thanks for

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this Katie this is awesome oh of course

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my pleasure I mean that's what it's all

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about and the more I share and the more

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you and people you know that do these

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podcasts and these shows you know it's

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almost every single time somebody will

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come for forward with you know either an

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encounter or an experience they had or

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or with information so it's really

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important to you know talk about I mean

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what's the point if you don't I research

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for you know I think it was like year

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number seven I'm like well I guess I

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should probably start talking about this

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yeah you know and so you have to do it

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eventually but uh hopefully everybody

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can see the screen and the big red star

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at the top of the picture is Albert the

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Albert Ranch where it's located in the

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Black Forest is right under it which

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Black Forest has a lot of sightings in

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of itself so that's interesting and back

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in the late 70s the Air Force Academy

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there to the left the the rain star

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their property kind of ran back up

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through the Black Forest into Albert

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County so they owned a lot of that land

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and and we do know through the archives

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and the research that there's no

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question that we were aware that the Air

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Force property

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and I'll share a site uh with a soldier

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that was there from Camp Carson that I

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found really interesting so you have you

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know of course Cheyenne Mountain NORAD

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is in Colorado Springs for Fort Carson

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and then down below that you uh have

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Butte which has a lot of military

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helicopters you have a shrivener and

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Peterson Air Force Base so it's just

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surrounded out there and and you know on

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the other side of the Springs you have

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Alamosa and this in 1967 was snippy the

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horse which I believe

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um snippy was its sister's name I think

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her name was lady but Dr Leo sprinkle

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was one of the initial investigators

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with snippy the horse so he was right

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there on the front lines through all

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these mutilations and stuff so so wait

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Katie just so I get this straight just

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snippy the horses in the vicinity of

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this yeah it's on the other side of

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Colorado Springs

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um yeah yeah and that's interesting

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because we just interviewed Chuck

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Zukowski about that and he mentioned it

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and for those who don't know snippy the

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horse was a horse that was found totally

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intact but the long neck and head had

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been decent skin or the hide removed and

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the flesh removed so you have a

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perfectly normal horse and then a

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skeleton neck and head like right down

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to the bone like it got dipped in acid

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or something exactly something dissolves

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all the flash off the neck up right and

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and you know as a researcher an

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investigator there's so many rabbit

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holes to go down and you know cattle

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mutilations for me was not my area of

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Interest or specialty I mean really

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that's to The Experts I I consider Chuck

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Zukowski to be the lead expert on that

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phenomenon along with Christopher

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O'Brien you know Linda Moulton Howe

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paved the way on that as well

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um so many great books about it

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um but for me it wasn't a high interest

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to me until recently because I think

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there's a lot of misinformation out

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there about these mutilations you know I

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think I don't know how many years ago it

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was but it was like oh mystery solved

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these are all like um the intestines

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exploding or something like the cow gets

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gas and you know whatever and I'm just

541
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like wait well wait a minute that

542
00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:08,280
doesn't explain you know the cauterized

543
00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:10,140
incisions I mean the big thing is the

544
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:12,120
lack of blood blood being completely

545
00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:14,100
drained out or missing tongues missing

546
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:16,020
ear missing eye all these interesting

547
00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:17,220
things I'm like why don't they take the

548
00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:19,140
T-Bones why don't they take the fillet I

549
00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:20,760
don't get that

550
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,500
um I don't know you know and then of

551
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:24,600
course there's well no no no no it's all

552
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:26,340
the military doing that it's all that

553
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,140
but through my interviews that I've done

554
00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:30,000
and I'll share a story with you guys

555
00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:32,280
here in a little bit there's some really

556
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,140
high strangeness cases with these

557
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:36,480
mutilations that it doesn't make sense

558
00:20:40,370 --> 00:20:38,460
that this would be human

559
00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:40,380
um you know especially going on for all

560
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:42,419
these decades like eventually and

561
00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:43,860
another thing people don't realize in

562
00:20:47,690 --> 00:20:45,660
Albert County at the time so again this

563
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,700
is the late 70s kind of Aging myself

564
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:49,200
here I was a little girl at the time I

565
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:51,660
was a young girl and um

566
00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:54,179
um people there was the Cattlemen's

567
00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:56,160
Association I found newspaper articles

568
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:57,660
that were offering ten thousand dollar

569
00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:00,539
rewards for anybody that they could

570
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,520
catch doing because everybody was on

571
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,039
edge this this was happening on daily

572
00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:07,679
out there this this was people had

573
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:10,500
loaded shotguns by their door

574
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,360
um you didn't go up to anybody house at

575
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:14,580
anybody's house at night without warning

576
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:17,160
you'd get shot people there were people

577
00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:19,559
out there actively looking to catch

578
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,960
these perpetrators you know at the time

579
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,940
they thought maybe these were satanic

580
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:26,039
Cults or something doing this there were

581
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,020
so many different theories and nobody

582
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,900
was ever caught nobody was ever caught

583
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:32,640
how was that

584
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,640
possible after all these years and also

585
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,200
what I was going to say Katie is that we

586
00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,360
we um I think Linda was was right when

587
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:41,159
she called it a harvest because these

588
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,500
things aren't we say mutilations but

589
00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:45,240
they're harvested the way that

590
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:47,340
everything is taken from them is a

591
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:48,900
harvest of some sort and it's always the

592
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:51,419
same organs the same patterns the same

593
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:53,240
puncture wounds like there's a

594
00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:56,340
repeatable evidence here and if this is

595
00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,340
evidence of whatever this phenomenon is

596
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:02,280
it is evidence right and this is a huge

597
00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:04,440
deal right everyone's looking for that

598
00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:05,820
evidence and you followed you where's

599
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,500
the proof where's the proof we have all

600
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:09,360
this forensic proof over ten thousand

601
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:12,900
cases police files in the us alone yeah

602
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:15,000
yeah that's so true

603
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:16,860
um I have a seven minute video actually

604
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:19,799
that a friend of mine made Dennis

605
00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:23,340
faramuth out of Phoenix I don't know if

606
00:22:27,529 --> 00:22:25,020
if you guys want me to share but it

607
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,539
gives you a great background and the the

608
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,400
first part of it kind of tells us a

609
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,140
little background about the the area

610
00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:32,640
Albert County what was going on at the

611
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,940
time the second part is actually from an

612
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,039
uh audio clips of an interview I did I

613
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:41,280
drove to Wyoming now this witness

614
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,520
um her family basically pioneered this

615
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:46,260
little town so if you go to the Elbert

616
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:48,900
County Historical Museum you know you

617
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:51,299
see her ancestors on the wall right so

618
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:53,100
that they they have been ranchers for

619
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:55,080
for a long time and ranchers no other

620
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,299
ranchers and when I went out there to

621
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,240
interview her her testimony was so

622
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:02,159
profound and that you know they had many

623
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:03,960
mutilations on their branches and their

624
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,120
friends had many as well she actually

625
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:09,000
pulled out her phone and and this is an

626
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,440
actual photo she found she's like oh

627
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:12,120
you're not going to believe this I found

628
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:14,580
the picture of the calf and she sent the

629
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:16,620
original photos on to me on Facebook

630
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,380
this was the one that was mutilated and

631
00:23:22,909 --> 00:23:21,120
and Drug

632
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,919
um blood drained and everything this the

633
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,360
one on the right sorry for the graphic

634
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,880
nature but this was a photograph she had

635
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,760
of a coyote kill and you can see the

636
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,340
difference yeah yeah absolutely yeah I

637
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,020
know this is a little graphic um but

638
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,200
coyotes will jump on the rear hind of a

639
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:39,840
calf and just tear at it right

640
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:42,299
um and this was something completely

641
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,700
different

642
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,440
yeah yeah but she had a couple amazing

643
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:48,480
encounters and what was fascinating

644
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,740
though is she pulled out her phone and

645
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,900
she goes yeah a friend a Rancher friend

646
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,000
of ours just sent this mutilation just

647
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,580
the other week but they don't want

648
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:58,860
publicity they don't want it report they

649
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:01,080
don't report them and and this I found

650
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,700
to be true when I was just back in

651
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,760
Albert a month or so ago same thing

652
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,919
these are still occurring they're just

653
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:09,960
not reporting them because it's been

654
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:12,419
going on for so long they know they

655
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,280
don't want the stigma they they know

656
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,200
nothing's going to happen they don't get

657
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,700
reimbursed I think they can write them

658
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,740
off on their taxes perhaps but so

659
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,480
oftentimes these ranchers just don't

660
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,880
even report them anymore you know so

661
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:25,860
yeah that's kind of interesting and they

662
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,419
don't want looky lose going there and

663
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:29,640
turning their Ranch into an amusement

664
00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:31,500
park right people that want to do you

665
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:33,539
know Private Investigations right

666
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,460
exactly exactly

667
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:37,200
um okay so I think this is a video here

668
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:38,940
let me go to the

669
00:25:11,330 --> 00:24:44,170
yep all right here we go

670
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:11,340
[Music]

671
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:13,090
foreign

672
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,750
U.S senator Floyd Haskell represented

673
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,240
Colorado in 1975 when the rash of cattle

674
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,400
mutilations were happening Senator

675
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:35,039
Haskell sent a letter to Theodore rocik

676
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,039
a special FBI agent in Denver expressing

677
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:40,080
his concerns by noting the bizarreness

678
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,299
of the mutilations the lack of Blood on

679
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:44,460
the ground the lack of footprints and

680
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,020
the numerous reports of unmarked

681
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:49,140
helicopters he went on to say there had

682
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:50,940
been reports of a helicopter that had

683
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,220
mutilated cattle and how several people

684
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,260
had been chased by a similar helicopter

685
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:57,840
the senator then closed by expressing

686
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,600
his concerns about the investigation it

687
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,520
seems to have progressed little except

688
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,380
for the recognition at long last that

689
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,140
the incidents must be taken seriously

690
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:09,120
it appears that ranchers are arming

691
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,220
themselves to protect their livestock as

692
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,720
well as their families and themselves

693
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:14,640
because they are frustrated by the

694
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,620
unsuccessful investigation

695
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,419
clearly something must be done before

696
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:19,919
someone gets hurt

697
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,700
August 1975 a big meeting was held with

698
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:25,980
60 law enforcement Personnel from three

699
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,720
states in the Colorado Bureau of

700
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,240
Investigation the leader of the meeting

701
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,460
was Sheriff George Yarnell of Albert

702
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:34,679
County because his County had suffered

703
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:46,669
probably 75 because I didn't have my

704
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,860
license yet and I graduated in 78 so

705
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:51,960
we've gone to a 4-H meeting with my

706
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,059
brother and I and some neighbors lived

707
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:56,880
on 86th and my mom

708
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,820
and mutilation stuff was high alert I

709
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,159
mean you were watching the sky surgery

710
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:03,360
now was

711
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,380
was always out and about in planes and

712
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:09,360
everything and you were just if you saw

713
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:10,980
any strange things in the sky you're

714
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:12,299
supposed to notify the sheriff's

715
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,279
department and it was just high high

716
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,740
mutilation time and we were on our way

717
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:18,600
home we probably gotten three miles out

718
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,860
of town when this huge bright light and

719
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,539
I always described it as the sun sitting

720
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:27,000
on the ground because it was just it was

721
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,600
my mom pulled over it was on the same

722
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,820
side of the road right there is those

723
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:35,760
trees start huge and it's bright and it

724
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:39,059
was just I remember seeing what looked

725
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:40,860
like a

726
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,059
platform come out of it to the side and

727
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:48,240
so in my mind from that point on I

728
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,799
thought oh they lift the animal in the

729
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,140
air and do surgery and then drop it down

730
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:55,260
but I saw this little lip it was a lit

731
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:57,000
platform that went off to the side of

732
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,820
this it just disappeared as fast as it

733
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,340
was there and it was gone and I said no

734
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,799
sound no nothing so we don't you know

735
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:05,880
there's a lot of sightings for the

736
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,039
helicopters but this was it was it was

737
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,980
silent my mom was so scared that's why I

738
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:13,440
knew I was not driving that because I

739
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:15,900
had to drive home because she couldn't

740
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,600
and we did College birthday now and they

741
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:20,220
went out you know exploring but they

742
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:26,590
so then you skip forward to

743
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:31,380
78 I would say that's probably 78.79 and

744
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:35,460
my husband and I lived outside of Rhema

745
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,600
off of 86 Highway 86 South so we're out

746
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:41,460
there in the middle of nowhere didn't

747
00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:43,559
have a lot of close neighbors or

748
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:46,460
anything there he was out on Horseback

749
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,279
checking accounts for cats

750
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,980
I just remember him coming back telling

751
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,679
me if I didn't have cell phones and

752
00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:58,140
saying that we have a countdown it's

753
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:02,520
really weird it's it's dead the mom had

754
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:05,700
just had it but something had cut a

755
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:09,840
square of fur off of the top of it

756
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,299
the skin was still there from what I

757
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,919
recall the skin was still there and the

758
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,320
fur just was in a perfect square

759
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,240
when we went back out there when I went

760
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:20,820
with him in the pickup which counted the

761
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:23,580
whole trip with maybe take 30 minutes or

762
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,520
something they had been back and there

763
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,100
was a very clean cut

764
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:32,100
circle with organs removed

765
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,740
I said I my calf was just a brand new

766
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,940
calf

767
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,220
okay freaked out because it looks like

768
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:40,380
she's like something had been there when

769
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,820
and he caught him in the middle of the

770
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,919
act or something

771
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:46,200
because I was like okay they'd come back

772
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:49,799
and done more work to the same calf

773
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:52,679
only blood was what was just sitting in

774
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:54,120
the cavity

775
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,299
but I do remember that and um but there

776
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:59,039
was no tracks no drag marks no nothing

777
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:00,659
other than what he had done with the

778
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:01,740
horse

779
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:09,409
we never saw anything in the air we

780
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,120
never saw any tracks and this was off

781
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:13,980
the County Road

782
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:17,039
I don't know a couple miles it wasn't

783
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,539
it's like somebody stopped along the

784
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:20,760
county road and did something we've had

785
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,940
coyote kills before I've got a picture

786
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,740
of one of them the cat was still alive

787
00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:28,020
while the coyote was eating on it they

788
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,560
don't they don't just cut a clean

789
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,980
[Music]

790
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:35,100
Circle and take an organ out just like a

791
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:36,899
laser which everybody's always described

792
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:40,140
it as just like a laser sharp cut

793
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,580
and the only other things that we

794
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,100
noticed over the years of having friends

795
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:46,500
and family and different ones that had

796
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,799
mutilations it seemed like the cattle in

797
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:52,080
the pasture where

798
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:54,059
the mutilation was

799
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:57,179
seemed to act fine but the ones in

800
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,419
adjoining pastures were freaked out one

801
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,520
time we thought it was the military and

802
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:05,159
and doing research and things and then

803
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,140
at other times it's like you know this

804
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,140
is just too strange and too many people

805
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,500
I've talked to have seen lights and

806
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,320
an area between Laramie and Fort Collins

807
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:18,120
I thought what the heck was that went in

808
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,980
office meteors that crashed or something

809
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,200
that just like flew through the air and

810
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,600
there's so many

811
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,539
unknown things that I

812
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,399
I know it's almost scary to ever find

813
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,850
you know you hear so many stories and

814
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:36,960
see things and it's just I don't know

815
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,149
I know what the things that I've seen

816
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:47,279
and witnessed and the different stories

817
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:50,100
I've heard that I I think I'm just left

818
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,299
with it's

819
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:53,100
unknown

820
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,020
yeah so

821
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:57,000
interesting thank you for sure with us

822
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:59,159
that was amazing yeah she said something

823
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:02,460
that really struck me and it's from my

824
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:04,919
the thing I remember the most was that

825
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,500
sense of being watched and that followed

826
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,179
me home

827
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,460
um you know from the ranch property we

828
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,220
lived about 45 minutes to an hour away

829
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:16,620
in Englewood Colorado and the two

830
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,600
younger boys there were three sons that

831
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:20,159
lived on the ranch the two younger boys

832
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,140
lived with us during the week my mom was

833
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,659
dating their father for several years

834
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,840
and so we had a large school district in

835
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,760
Englewood Cherry Creek High School which

836
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:32,039
was one of the biggest best schools in

837
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,340
the state and they wanted their sons to

838
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,960
have the opportunities of that large

839
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,640
school district so they lived with us

840
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,740
during the week and we'd drive back and

841
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:43,140
forth from our home to the ranch on the

842
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:44,700
weekends taking the boys back to visit

843
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:46,919
their mother and that so that's kind of

844
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:49,880
how I fit into that puzzle of the ranch

845
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,980
but what's interesting is a lot of the

846
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,320
phenomena that I compartmentalized and

847
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,240
put in these different boxes happened to

848
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,059
me at my home in Inglewood not on the

849
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:01,860
ranch property although both my sister

850
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,679
my mom and I Alex had experiences on the

851
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:06,000
ranch

852
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:06,779
um

853
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,659
you know I also had things that

854
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,820
basically have attached to me

855
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,440
um and and I think that's an interesting

856
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,720
part of this phenomenon and I think

857
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,279
that's

858
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,080
um something that really needs to be

859
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,899
investigated more I just recently had

860
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,000
the opportunity to revisit the ranch for

861
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,279
the first time since my childhood I

862
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,200
spent you know

863
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,200
um a week with a film crew out there I

864
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:33,539
can't say non-disclosures until later

865
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,600
but what what I learned and what I took

866
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:40,080
away from that was whatever is out there

867
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:43,740
it it seems intelligent number one

868
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,159
it seemed to know that I was back which

869
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:49,679
is quite terrifying

870
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,059
um even though this happened so many

871
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,860
decades ago

872
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:55,260
so many things happened why we were out

873
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,919
there

874
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:58,799
and and to me you know in meeting the

875
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:00,179
family so the family that lives there

876
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,580
now wonderful people

877
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,159
um and it's really interesting to me you

878
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:08,040
know they've experienced some things but

879
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,899
not to the degree that was happening

880
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:11,580
then but

881
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:15,060
we revisit the ranch I'm there and all

882
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,740
of a sudden all this stuff starts

883
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:18,960
happening and I'm like what is going on

884
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:21,780
here and why and not only that

885
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,119
um luckily I stayed um in Castle Rock in

886
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:25,560
a hotel during the filming I didn't have

887
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,000
to come here

888
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:28,800
um later by myself but even when I got

889
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,700
back

890
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:31,500
paranormal things started happening in

891
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,859
this house why what is that

892
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,720
um you know and

893
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,540
you know I so many contacties and

894
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:42,480
experiences talk about how this turned

895
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,139
into a very spiritual awakening a

896
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:48,960
wonderful good thing in their lives and

897
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:49,980
that

898
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,480
of the life out there in the universe is

899
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:56,580
probably good and they want what's good

900
00:35:03,770 --> 00:34:59,640
for Humanity and the Earth and and us as

901
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,780
humans and um for me when I was young of

902
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,400
course when your child you know the

903
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,040
boogeyman scares you it was a very very

904
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,380
scary experience and then being told not

905
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:12,560
to talk about it and to keep it a secret

906
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,180
I mean so much so were me and my sister

907
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,800
like created our own little like almost

908
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,720
Pig Latin language so we could talk to

909
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,700
each other about it you know and I never

910
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:23,280
slept alone and I was always feeling

911
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,839
like I was being watched and I was

912
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:26,520
always running from cars and motorcycles

913
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,960
because I felt like I was going to be

914
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,160
taken

915
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,160
um it was a very terrifying time

916
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:34,320
um now that I'm older and I'm processing

917
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,820
and I'm researching and maybe that's

918
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,740
part of the process of why I'm

919
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:40,140
researching it to take some of that fear

920
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,940
away because when we understand things

921
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:43,760
better and we can look at it logically

922
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,380
and then all of a sudden it's not so

923
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,359
frightening anymore and and I'm not

924
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:50,579
denying that there isn't this Spiritual

925
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:52,260
Awakening truth because I've definitely

926
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:55,079
seen that and so many people where it'll

927
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,060
start out as something quite frightening

928
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,520
and un you know misunderstood I mean if

929
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,320
you're being abducted and taken against

930
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:03,900
your will that's not a nice thing to be

931
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:07,040
doing and but eventually people almost

932
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,520
feel like special or like they have a

933
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,960
purpose or a mission they need to

934
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:14,940
accomplish and even Dr sprinkle talked

935
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,339
about that these different stages of of

936
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:20,160
contact or abduction so you know all of

937
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,200
that has been an interesting process and

938
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,140
and in researching this Ranch too you

939
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,640
know I think people forget too and it's

940
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:28,859
and I'm kind of thankful I I took some

941
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,839
time off writing the book because now

942
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,640
all these new things happen that'll be

943
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:34,740
able to include in the book

944
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,740
um but it's like you write you research

945
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:39,540
and then you process you write you

946
00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:41,220
research you process you write you know

947
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,579
so it's this whole kind of cathartic

948
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:46,260
thing that I've been going through for a

949
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,020
decade now but anyway so this next this

950
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,119
is just a little clip before I share my

951
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,960
interview with Bill was youngest son and

952
00:36:59,170 --> 00:36:57,300
his widow I flew to Florida to do a face

953
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:59,180
to face with them as well

954
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:01,859
fascinating interviews and wonderful

955
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,619
wonderful people she was wonderful bill

956
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,320
was Widow he was the under Sheriff of

957
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:09,480
Albert County at the time in in Linda

958
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,099
Moulton house film a strange Harvest she

959
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:14,640
interviews him and his his wife comes

960
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:17,400
out with this big folder of um it was

961
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,660
actually in that little movie you just

962
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:20,579
watched of all these newspaper articles

963
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:23,099
she had saved all these years and I'm

964
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,660
like oh can I take those and copy them

965
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:26,220
if she let me take them home and copy

966
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:27,720
them and all that so that was really

967
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,300
cool and I got so much so much

968
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,339
information from those articles but

969
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:34,320
anyway so let me play this little clip

970
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:36,660
here from a strange Harvest which again

971
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,460
is Linda Moulton house and this whole

972
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,260
film was about the mutilations during

973
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:42,180
this time so it's really interesting I

974
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:43,859
think you can probably Google it and

975
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:49,310
another law enforcement officer who saw

976
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,440
strange lights back in 1975 and 76 is

977
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,020
Bill Watt bill was the undershare of

978
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:56,760
Penelope County for eight years working

979
00:38:02,990 --> 00:37:59,579
with Sheriff George Yarnell he retired

980
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:03,000
in 1979. uh persimmon and I was sitting

981
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:04,619
out there one night the sheriff was up

982
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,780
in a plane and I happened to look in the

983
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,300
rearview mirror and I saw this orange

984
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:11,520
ball of light come up

985
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:14,700
from the ground

986
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,119
so I nuds adapted or the possumen with

987
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,520
me we jumped out of a car and this light

988
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,339
came at us it was up then up off the

989
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:25,800
ground flying higher than the car

990
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,740
and they get up just about to the car

991
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,140
and then make a complete rep

992
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:33,660
90 degree right angle turn

993
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,800
and in the cockpit I could see three

994
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,680
little lights of Redmond and what looked

995
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:42,720
like a white one had either a green or

996
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,480
blue one man looked out of his window at

997
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,980
night just before he went to bed and a

998
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,079
horse was standing out there he got up

999
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:50,400
the next morning so down the breakfast

1000
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,380
napping plants out and the horse had

1001
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,599
been mutilated right there was in the

1002
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:56,160
summertime

1003
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,460
they had three they had a house and two

1004
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,680
trailers where people lived in and they

1005
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,020
all had their windows open they had dogs

1006
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:06,720
around the place no one heard any dogs

1007
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:09,540
barking no one heard a thing

1008
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,609
that's crazy yeah yeah and and like we

1009
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:21,839
talked about was not only cow but horse

1010
00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:24,420
and sheep and dog and people who are

1011
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,099
afraid they're gonna go to humans next I

1012
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:28,800
mean like people were on edge this was a

1013
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,800
really really intense time you know so

1014
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,359
much so the Colorado Bureau of

1015
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,520
Investigations was involved in uh

1016
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:37,500
another interesting thing in getting out

1017
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:38,820
there and doing these conferences and

1018
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,460
stuff a people couple people I met

1019
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:43,980
um one was in Laughlin I got to to meet

1020
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,220
Richard Doty and for those of you who

1021
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,380
don't know Richard Dodie was sort of you

1022
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:51,300
know his job was to be kind of a

1023
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,119
disinformation misinformation officer

1024
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,540
right give some truth but also like

1025
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,180
steer away to distract from whatever

1026
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,579
secret projects they were were doing at

1027
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:05,520
the military at the time and um I asked

1028
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,619
him I was really curious to new to know

1029
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:09,240
if he was aware of this property in

1030
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:12,660
Albert County and he said he he was he

1031
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:15,180
said absolutely they were and I found

1032
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:17,220
that to be interesting he also told me

1033
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:18,180
that

1034
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,980
um you know if I wanted to find out more

1035
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:22,260
about these two a7d interceptors that

1036
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:25,140
had crashed in pursuit of a UFO

1037
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:27,000
um to go ahead and send a foia to

1038
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:28,980
Kirkland Air Force Base mishaps office

1039
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:32,280
which I did and I received that back I

1040
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:33,900
could share that with you really quickly

1041
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,380
it was really it's right here

1042
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,780
um but it's you know it's it's a lot of

1043
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,740
information

1044
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:43,440
um a lot of it's reducted out but what

1045
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:45,060
that's all about let me find those

1046
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,619
slides I'm not sure where they are here

1047
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,780
you know I'm just going to say here this

1048
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,119
is amazing Louie because here we have

1049
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:53,760
Arrow the resolution office who shows us

1050
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,520
very little and quite frankly would

1051
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,160
rather be at somebody else's problem and

1052
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:01,440
here we are sitting with Katie page and

1053
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,940
she's going through all this research

1054
00:41:08,109 --> 00:41:05,160
which is more than what we get from the

1055
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,119
government when they do briefings or

1056
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:10,920
declassification of of things it's just

1057
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,320
it fascinates me that they always start

1058
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,900
from fresh you know what I mean 40 year

1059
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:17,579
old information some of these articles

1060
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:19,980
right this is not there is a he even if

1061
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:21,300
they just went with the public record

1062
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:23,400
they could produce more in the hearing

1063
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,490
and that's what's so frustrating to

1064
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:34,440
watch these these these hearings they

1065
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:36,180
don't know the history of ufology they

1066
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,099
don't know anything did we start from

1067
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,260
scratch Katie from scratch every time

1068
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,760
and always grab an idiot that doesn't

1069
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:43,740
know anything about the subject like

1070
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,020
here you handle this it's like why not

1071
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,380
go like it's oh man yeah they just don't

1072
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,839
know and and maybe it's not of any fault

1073
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,940
of their own all these phenomenon

1074
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,020
they've been buried they've been

1075
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,180
compartmentalized they've been you know

1076
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,460
mocked and ridiculed and this is silly

1077
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,400
and and so it's the whole thing uh but

1078
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,260
really they need to get up to speed on

1079
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,420
on these topics and and all these

1080
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,760
different parts or you know different

1081
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,400
things that were happening and and still

1082
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,560
are to a degree

1083
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,300
um and that's what's fascinating to me

1084
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,220
and I'll get get into that as we close

1085
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,740
this off but really quickly before

1086
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:22,619
um I go to these are some of the

1087
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:25,140
articles that um that bill Wall's Widow

1088
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,660
had shared with me um helicopter menaces

1089
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:29,099
girls related to Stockbridge these were

1090
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:33,300
all Albert County so I asked um uh

1091
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,339
Richard Dodie I'm like why would these

1092
00:42:38,829 --> 00:42:37,140
helicopters these unmarked helicopters

1093
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:38,839
be chasing

1094
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,460
young kid like teenager kids like

1095
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,680
scaring the the tar out of these and he

1096
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:46,380
said as a distraction a distraction for

1097
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,180
what what are they doing so the question

1098
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:49,800
was always chicken or egg right were

1099
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:52,859
they out there investigating the unknown

1100
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:55,079
who you know these mutilations and all

1101
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,579
these other strange things that were

1102
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,260
happening they knew they were aware of

1103
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:00,420
the Sasquatch in the area and everything

1104
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:02,940
were they out there trying to figure out

1105
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,920
what's going on or were they out there

1106
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:07,079
causing it you know which came first or

1107
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,700
was it a combination of both I don't

1108
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:11,160
know that's always been uh

1109
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,060
a question I've had but this was a

1110
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:16,619
research study it's an interesting

1111
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,619
little booklet I came across called the

1112
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,660
Choppers and the Choppers and and this

1113
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,000
kind of was research done

1114
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:26,579
um looking at the mystery helicopters

1115
00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:29,160
and animal mutilations and they they

1116
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:31,020
went through and took all these reports

1117
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:33,000
and there were hundreds of them and you

1118
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:37,740
know two 207 uh events here they

1119
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,260
you know by month when what months are

1120
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,180
more active what days of the week are

1121
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,420
more active August one right so August

1122
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:47,700
seems to be good for the listeners yeah

1123
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:51,380
August summer days and October 2nd yeah

1124
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:54,359
so from basically August October is a

1125
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,040
more activity and Monday and Thursdays

1126
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:58,140
look like hot days right which is

1127
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,460
something home on Monday and Thursday

1128
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:05,390
guys those are those are days to watch

1129
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:08,280
right that's awesome and Thursdays

1130
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,900
um but look at these different states

1131
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:11,460
because these mutilations they were

1132
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:12,839
occurring you know across the Midwest

1133
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:15,420
you know you had a mutilation happening

1134
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,060
in Montana and one in Colorado almost at

1135
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,800
the same time so these different police

1136
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,720
departments were communicating with one

1137
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:25,200
another and they had like maps in their

1138
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,819
offices of these different mutilations

1139
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,099
and tracking when and where they were

1140
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,560
happening so you have one in Montana and

1141
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:34,500
one in Colorado same day same time like

1142
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,940
why does that happen but you could kind

1143
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,920
of see here Arizona Arkansas Colorado

1144
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,420
was definitely hit the hardest there

1145
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,640
Illinois Iowa Kansas Minnesota Missouri

1146
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,680
Montana and Nebraska and on down the

1147
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:45,440
line so that was a really interesting

1148
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:47,940
I'm gonna talk about this real quick I

1149
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:48,900
don't have time to share the whole

1150
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,339
presentation but

1151
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,980
um no I will be at contact in the desert

1152
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,540
given this presentation there's going to

1153
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,700
be a whole much much more added to it so

1154
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,319
I hope to see you guys out of contact in

1155
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,420
the desert um but anyway

1156
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,700
um so these were doctor this was Dr

1157
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,380
sprinkles how underwriting right here

1158
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,420
and this says Bill while the

1159
00:45:09,849 --> 00:45:08,280
undersheriff wants to talk to someone he

1160
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:09,859
has seen ships going into the ground

1161
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,780
boxes and mutilations being done nobody

1162
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,520
will talk he doesn't want investigation

1163
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,500
because of the publicity doesn't want

1164
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,480
the stigma his credentials are an

1165
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:20,880
important factor John would go back now

1166
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,420
John is the gentleman who was the man

1167
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:26,720
who lived at the ranch okay

1168
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,339
NORAD Colonel said bluntly to forget

1169
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:31,980
about it and to shut up the Air Force

1170
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,740
head has a directive to handle UFOs and

1171
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,900
Bigfoot what's really interesting about

1172
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:38,579
the Sasquatch creature scene out there

1173
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,339
Elbert County it's a pretty rural area

1174
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,200
it's not very mountainy it's not like

1175
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:44,880
squatchy I hate to use that with

1176
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:47,220
squatchy but you know there's these big

1177
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:50,940
patches of like uh Ponderosa Pines right

1178
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:54,119
but yet these Sasquatch were seen out

1179
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:55,380
there not only that they were like

1180
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,819
banging on things they would stand

1181
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,280
behind the barn they collected hair they

1182
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:01,500
collected Footprints

1183
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:04,680
um they seem to me and this is just my

1184
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,300
opinion and I know it's controversial

1185
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,940
and there's a really good book by Stan

1186
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,240
Gordon that kind of also says kind of

1187
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:14,700
the same thing I feel that these

1188
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,099
Sasquatch creatures in this instant were

1189
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,720
connected to the craft they were

1190
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:21,060
connected to the UFOs it was all one

1191
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:22,440
phenomenal that was going on I don't

1192
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,819
know if they were like bodyguards or

1193
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:25,920
workers or if they were the actual ETS

1194
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:28,380
themselves I mean why couldn't they be

1195
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:30,420
ETS themselves a whole race from a

1196
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,460
different I don't know but I'm just

1197
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:34,859
saying out there it seemed like they

1198
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:36,060
were connected

1199
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,740
um so I'm going to play this again this

1200
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:39,180
interview before you move the slide

1201
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,859
though look at the very last bullet

1202
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:42,720
point and what year is this from roughly

1203
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:47,460
are we talking 70. 76 76. so as of 1976

1204
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,520
the Air Force head has a directive to

1205
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:53,220
handle UFOs and Bigfoot so this talk of

1206
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,900
oh we're just starting to investigate

1207
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:56,700
now the government's starting to take it

1208
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,460
seriously it's nonsense yeah no in fact

1209
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:01,760
let me find it so this so

1210
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,520
David Marler who you know he's my hero

1211
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,920
of ufology he you know has his big

1212
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,960
archives historical archives out there

1213
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,180
outside of Albuquerque New Mexico and

1214
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
I've I've done some research you know at

1215
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:16,079
his place a few times and I'm digging

1216
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,280
through his things trying to find things

1217
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,960
from this this decade it's my favorite

1218
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,640
decade to research and I come across

1219
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,619
this the North American Air Defense

1220
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,480
command NORAD has acknowledged publicly

1221
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,940
that an unidentifying flying object was

1222
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,680
tracked on radar and Jet interceptors

1223
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:30,900
were scrambled after it and this was

1224
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,460
like I don't know how many pages this

1225
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,920
thing was it was several Pages

1226
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:36,839
um this was out of Canada actually

1227
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,480
um go Canada so our NORAD facility there

1228
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,180
in Canada and um so early in the morning

1229
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,359
of November 11 1975 so we're right

1230
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:46,800
around the same time as Albert County

1231
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,520
you know they scrambled a an Interceptor

1232
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,619
so I'm like oh my gosh that that's

1233
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:54,960
they're admitting that they did that and

1234
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,420
in this document it stated that they

1235
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,220
they did an article on it and Dave

1236
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,560
Dave's like oh I bet I have that article

1237
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,119
and he's all organized in his file

1238
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,880
cabinets and sure enough we pulled it

1239
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,099
out and there it is Air Force scrambled

1240
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,859
Jets to intercept UFO Dave is unreal

1241
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:12,780
isn't he like he's unreal yeah was that

1242
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:14,579
when the National Enquirer wasn't a

1243
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:16,859
tabloid mag or were they still no I

1244
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:19,560
think they were a tabloid like oh my

1245
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,680
gosh nobody took National Enquirer very

1246
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:24,960
seriously but now looking back I'm like

1247
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,720
wait a minute we were Bamboozled a lot

1248
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,359
of this stuff was true

1249
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:32,339
so that's really interesting so I know

1250
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:33,720
I'm kind of skipping around here but

1251
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:35,339
this was

1252
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,020
um you know you could see the redactions

1253
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,359
but what's interesting about this so two

1254
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:42,960
interceptors in Dr sprinkle's archives

1255
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,560
said they crashed in pursuit of a UFO

1256
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:48,180
and I'm like well certainly there must

1257
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:50,339
be an article about that

1258
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:51,900
um and I found the article I got the

1259
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,260
date and I foiled about these things and

1260
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:56,880
what's interesting is one of the causes

1261
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,220
and there were several supposedly it was

1262
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:02,160
a instructor and a student that were

1263
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,440
scrambled um out of Buckley Air Force

1264
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:06,900
Base outside of Albert County at night

1265
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,619
with 255 live rounds of ammunition over

1266
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,780
residential areas over Elizabeth and

1267
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,359
Albert County and one of the causes it

1268
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,920
says right here the instructor pilot

1269
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,319
misidentified the rotating Beacon of

1270
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,119
another aircraft as the student's

1271
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:23,280
aircraft nowhere else in all of these

1272
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,020
pages does it identify what that

1273
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:26,940
aircraft was it doesn't say it was a

1274
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,920
Cessna it doesn't even in the

1275
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,480
transcripts from the tower it never

1276
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,520
identifies another aircraft in the

1277
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:34,800
vicinity so I found found that to be

1278
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,500
suspicious and unusual both Pilots

1279
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,900
ejected both Pilots

1280
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,520
um survived

1281
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:42,839
um so if you're out there and you're

1282
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:47,270
anyway

1283
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,900
um so you know that just goes to show

1284
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:50,520
you here's the original article I found

1285
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,420
how important research is to go and do

1286
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:56,880
the work to do the digging I I found

1287
00:50:03,309 --> 00:50:00,599
that article there November 12 1975 sure

1288
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,319
enough these two interceptors collided

1289
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,180
and in Dr sprinkles it says they were in

1290
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,460
pursuit of a UFO and to find oh here's

1291
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,319
the original thing from the report I

1292
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:11,760
also understand the two National Guard

1293
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:13,079
interceptors were up and then it's

1294
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:15,000
redacted and we went down in pursuit of

1295
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:16,859
a UFO at night

1296
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,540
um all of this was a little unnerving so

1297
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:20,460
I was going to stop my own inquiry I was

1298
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,720
just going to quietly mind my own

1299
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:22,980
business so that's from the sheriff

1300
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:26,160
that's a quote from the sheriff so it

1301
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:28,260
we're not colliding with these objects

1302
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,300
necessarily in mid-air but we're

1303
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:32,099
colliding with ourselves trying to chase

1304
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:34,200
these objects in a minute right all

1305
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,420
right gotcha yeah they collided and and

1306
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,460
also on the report it stated that the

1307
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:40,140
instructor

1308
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,359
um the student had turned off his Beacon

1309
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,119
Light and so the instructor hit the tail

1310
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,220
and that and they both went down

1311
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:49,800
um so both both ejected both Pilots

1312
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:52,140
survived so there's that

1313
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,059
um so this was interesting again let me

1314
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:57,180
play this little audio clip um back to

1315
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,859
this again I know we kind of diverted

1316
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,680
off of there a little bit but this is

1317
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,260
um billwell's son talking about what

1318
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,480
where he remembers and he actually

1319
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:09,599
remembers going to Norad with his father

1320
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:12,660
so this is that little interview here

1321
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,020
um it's what two minutes long

1322
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:20,400
again it was in the daytime and

1323
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,880
a helicopter one or two of them

1324
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,160
took off from our backfield

1325
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,079
and the thing about helicopters they

1326
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,240
make a lot of noise I threw off dust

1327
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,119
but they did they took off but I

1328
00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:35,520
remember dad got in touch with NORAD

1329
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:37,640
and I think I rode with him all one time

1330
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,500
but you probably did he asked them to

1331
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,500
make sure to keep you know the army or

1332
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:45,180
whatever out of the county and doing

1333
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:46,980
this investigations

1334
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,020
because they didn't want anything going

1335
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,020
on when people saw this I mean you could

1336
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,780
tell a helicopter from something that

1337
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,280
does not make noise

1338
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:58,859
and they had a Stapleton airport at the

1339
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,900
time you know they would work with the

1340
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:02,819
tracking and the radar they would send

1341
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:05,579
planes up flying around and Stapleton

1342
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,380
airport would tell them it's like you

1343
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,599
got a fly flying object directly below

1344
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:11,640
you with one of the ranchers most of the

1345
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,339
ranchers had their own little plane and

1346
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,680
they had notified the Air Force Academy

1347
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,540
out of Colorado Springs they had

1348
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:20,700
notified Stapleton Airport

1349
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,240
to not have any flyovers at this

1350
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,520
particular time and they were up in the

1351
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:28,559
and he was up in this plane minus my

1352
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:30,599
husband's up in this plane right next to

1353
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,980
him came this

1354
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,559
look is white whatever it was came up

1355
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:36,480
beside them and they could see a black

1356
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:37,800
object

1357
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,660
sitting in a pilot seat

1358
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,180
and they radioed Stapleton and find out

1359
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:44,400
who was there and they said there's not

1360
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:47,819
nothing on radar and that thing but

1361
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:50,940
took off I don't want the stories that

1362
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,619
he told me when they were up there and

1363
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,599
it was Stapleton notified him that

1364
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,359
there's something unidentified flying

1365
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:59,880
next to him and then it just disappeared

1366
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,099
off the screen off the radar it was gone

1367
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:04,800
that's why my dad talked to the people

1368
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,839
at Nora at Cheyenne Mountain told them

1369
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:08,400
to keep the helicopters out of the

1370
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,339
county at the time because you know

1371
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:13,280
ranchers

1372
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:16,680
they'll shoot at him yeah great I mean

1373
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:18,660
you just got to put yourself in the

1374
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:20,940
mindset of this Talent at the time this

1375
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,099
is a small town and you know it wasn't

1376
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,980
just Kiowa Kyle was the hardest hit but

1377
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,839
you have Elizabeth and Rhema in this

1378
00:53:33,069 --> 00:53:30,059
whole area just like the Uinta Basin

1379
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,079
kinda you know and what what is causing

1380
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:35,760
this activity you know is it

1381
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:38,760
interdimensional is it the military is

1382
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,859
it Are UFOs coming in and you know I I

1383
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:46,260
just don't I just don't know and and for

1384
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:48,900
me I think as an investigator as

1385
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,700
somebody who wants simple answers like

1386
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:52,440
we all want to say oh they're all good

1387
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,119
they're all bad they're all it's all

1388
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,220
military it's all this so I think it's

1389
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:58,859
just so complex and I I just think we're

1390
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,420
looking at so many different answers

1391
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,760
well what makes it really interesting is

1392
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,920
is when you start looking at it and you

1393
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,140
think you put apply logic and reason to

1394
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,240
it it doesn't make sense because the

1395
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:11,520
animal uh when we're talking to Chuck

1396
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,500
was saying that there's and Louis you

1397
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:15,240
mentioned this too and when we spoke

1398
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,920
with them is that there's you know

1399
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:18,960
location a where the animals taken it's

1400
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:22,140
taken to location B wherever procedures

1401
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,059
is done to it then it's dropped off at

1402
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:26,520
location C which is in the vicinity of

1403
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,380
location a where it was first picked up

1404
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:32,160
but it happened so fast like you know

1405
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:33,660
the ranchers were saying how they they

1406
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,700
had the video you played how they had

1407
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:37,619
just seen the animal all what was wrong

1408
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,740
with it was just a diamond cut square on

1409
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,420
it with firmness square cut with fur

1410
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,400
yeah yeah then he leave for 30 minutes

1411
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,920
come back whatever had done that to the

1412
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,380
animal came back and finished the job

1413
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,319
right so it's it's weird there's like a

1414
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:54,000
Consciousness you're where it's aware

1415
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:57,059
that you were there right right and in

1416
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,020
my mind

1417
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,000
um you know I I've just recently got to

1418
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:02,760
know and speak with um Dr Simeon Hein

1419
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,680
he's out of Boulder Colorado here and

1420
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:07,680
he's a brilliant physicist and you know

1421
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,240
he does a lot of work with these crop

1422
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,640
circles a whole other area that I

1423
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:14,460
haven't really gotten into and again you

1424
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:16,020
know we're fed oh no those are all

1425
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,819
man-made they're not all man-made not

1426
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,920
all of them a great majority of them

1427
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:21,660
probably are man-made but not all of

1428
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,180
them are and there's really even the

1429
00:55:29,569 --> 00:55:26,640
man-made crop circles Dr Simeon was

1430
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,579
telling me that they can go in and look

1431
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,220
at the the magnetic anomalies of even

1432
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:34,920
the man-made circles and they're super

1433
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:37,319
highly magnetic and then it got me

1434
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,200
thinking you know these balls of energy

1435
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,680
or these orbs that some people claim May

1436
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,079
perhaps create some of these crop

1437
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,020
circles are these same things mutilating

1438
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:51,180
cattle are they balls of light are they

1439
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,220
because it happens that fast and then

1440
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:54,960
you have that sense of being watched can

1441
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,000
something like like that do something

1442
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:59,640
like that drain blood and put I don't

1443
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:01,980
know I'm just my mind kind of goes like

1444
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:04,500
you know I don't know but so many

1445
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,599
mysterious things and you you I think

1446
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,400
there was Chuck Zukowski might know the

1447
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,319
answer to this I or Christopher O'Brien

1448
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:12,000
I think talks about one of the cattle

1449
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,619
mutilated was actually put on the

1450
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:15,720
doorstep of NORAD I think that's in one

1451
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:17,880
of the books you I think there was one

1452
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:20,819
like under like a bull under like a huge

1453
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:23,579
the way they're found in positions are

1454
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,800
very unusual like it doesn't make any

1455
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:28,319
sense again yeah sorry I was just gonna

1456
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:29,819
say there's also been cases where the

1457
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:32,880
animals weren't killed but were put in

1458
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:34,619
weird places like a farmer went out was

1459
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,420
missing a whole bunch of bulls and they

1460
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,460
were all stacked in a barn that was

1461
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:41,160
padlocked from the outside like a jigsaw

1462
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:42,900
puzzle like they were all holding each

1463
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,420
other in such a way and this these are 2

1464
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:47,220
500 pound animals some of them right so

1465
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:48,839
right they weren't killed or mutilated

1466
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,480
but taken from where they were and it's

1467
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:53,040
like almost like the entity or the

1468
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:54,780
intelligence is trying to mess with

1469
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,660
people exactly that that's a sense I

1470
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,040
really got from researching this like

1471
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,020
there's a so many weird things and it's

1472
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:02,400
a sense of that and that was out at

1473
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,900
Skinwalker yeah they were all put in

1474
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:06,240
that yeah the trailer do you have that

1475
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:07,740
slide that was talking where about the

1476
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,540
Mind Control where somebody yeah this is

1477
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,520
it yeah can you just see the yeah this

1478
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,220
is the MK so this was in Dr sprinkle's

1479
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:16,500
notes again Warren blank last name

1480
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:19,319
redacted from Camp Carson he visits the

1481
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:21,960
ranch so number one I'm like well is

1482
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,700
there somebody from Camp Carson visiting

1483
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:25,200
the ranch what is that about number

1484
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,300
that's my first question but he felt

1485
00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:29,520
something wrong he wouldn't go into the

1486
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,339
woods something took over his mind made

1487
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:34,500
him walk towards the woods would release

1488
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,359
him and he could run back and this did

1489
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:38,700
this to him five times five freaking

1490
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:43,250
mind control what is that we haven't

1491
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:45,300
even got into like the disappearing

1492
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:46,859
boxes which I didn't talk about for a

1493
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,319
long time but these boxes were witnessed

1494
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:51,540
by several people including the

1495
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:54,059
undersheriff bill wall and his posse men

1496
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,220
out on patrol one night not only did he

1497
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,280
say he saw this lit box disappear into

1498
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:00,720
the ground but the tree next to it

1499
00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:02,280
disappeared as if they went into the

1500
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,960
ground

1501
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:06,240
um you know uh several people on the

1502
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,339
ranch witnessed these boxes I witnessed

1503
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:11,760
the box in the daytime in the daytime it

1504
00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:13,800
was about three four feet off in the

1505
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,660
tree line and we were in the pickup

1506
00:58:19,849 --> 00:58:18,000
truck they had their dogs and

1507
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:19,859
um we were just driving around in the

1508
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:22,980
Ponderosa Pines and this humming sound

1509
00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:25,260
would start up and it was loud sometimes

1510
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,819
that sound would get so loud you

1511
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:28,559
couldn't talk over it that's how loud

1512
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,020
this noise would get and we had pulled

1513
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:33,119
the truck over to get some things out of

1514
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,680
this little out building there by the

1515
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,960
tree line that humming sound started up

1516
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,880
and the adult in the situation was like

1517
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:41,040
get in the truck get in the truck I look

1518
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:43,140
back and three to four feet off the

1519
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:44,700
ground of course I'm nine years old at

1520
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:45,780
the time

1521
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,319
um is this lit box this lit box and it

1522
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,079
started making this like weird uh like

1523
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:53,760
have you ever stood under like an

1524
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,819
electrical power lines like yeah yeah

1525
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:59,160
like a hum yeah

1526
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:02,280
like that and this the tone of it

1527
00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:04,260
started to shift we look back there

1528
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,880
yelling at us to get in the truck in the

1529
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:07,619
truck and then I look over and that box

1530
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:10,440
is gone just like that just gone

1531
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,040
and um when John schussler learned of my

1532
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:16,680
connection to the ranch property he very

1533
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:18,420
quickly bestowed upon me the original

1534
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,180
briefing document from that property and

1535
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,880
it talks about talk about validation of

1536
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:25,200
my memories

1537
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:29,400
um talks about you know these boxes and

1538
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:32,220
um in one instance it it's not when I

1539
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:33,480
was there and I didn't witness this but

1540
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:35,099
in the back of the ranch house the

1541
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,180
adults witnessed that same box and they

1542
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:42,240
claimed to have a contact with the two

1543
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:43,980
different ET types that were out on the

1544
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,440
ranch poverty I never saw ETS personally

1545
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:48,900
out there but they claim to have seen

1546
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:51,240
these two different ETS out there and

1547
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:53,880
they said that those boxes were lethal

1548
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,200
and they experi they they showed them

1549
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,420
this by having one of the Sasquatch

1550
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,119
creatures walk up to the box and that

1551
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,760
tone started and it dropped it to its

1552
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:08,460
knees as sort of like a warning like

1553
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,859
don't mess with us we're here doing our

1554
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:12,960
thing we'll stay out of your hair you'll

1555
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:15,480
stay out of ours and you know these

1556
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:18,359
boxes are lethal so and somebody came up

1557
01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:20,099
to me at a conference and said you know

1558
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,859
those boxes and these humming noises do

1559
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:24,359
you think that they were like

1560
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,579
hypnotizing or

1561
01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:28,200
um doing something to the cattle to

1562
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,299
maybe because you heard our one witness

1563
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,000
in Wyoming say in the pastures where

1564
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,520
these mutilations were occurring the

1565
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:37,079
cattle were calm and they were all

1566
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:38,520
huddled together

1567
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:40,859
in the adjoining pastures they were all

1568
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:43,500
freaked out right so were they using

1569
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:47,339
these tones the sound frequencies

1570
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:49,319
and these two

1571
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:53,220
like calm the cattle or communicate were

1572
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:55,140
they communication devices were they

1573
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:57,540
hypnotic devices were they mind control

1574
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:00,420
devices so many different theories that

1575
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:03,660
could possibly I I have no idea but even

1576
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:05,460
yeah because even this gentleman here

1577
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,599
Warren blank whoever he was I mean if we

1578
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:11,520
think about this the fact that he would

1579
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,559
go towards the woods like as if he was

1580
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,839
controlled under mind control and in

1581
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,760
release he would run back who knows how

1582
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,680
far and all of a sudden he would like no

1583
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:21,599
I need to come back to the woods and he

1584
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,180
did this five times I'd been crying by

1585
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,880
the end of it like let me go right

1586
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,260
um what's concerning is that if they're

1587
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:30,299
able and we've covered this a few times

1588
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,040
where these things are able to control

1589
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,280
not only a person but persons meaning

1590
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,440
multiple sometimes it's it's either a

1591
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:39,780
dozen it could be up to a hundred uh

1592
01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:41,579
just people just mesmerized by whatever

1593
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,380
is happening it's easy to do that

1594
01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:45,660
probably to an animal as well there's no

1595
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:48,059
sign of protest to these mutilations

1596
01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:50,700
it's like the cows either knocked out

1597
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:52,859
and it doesn't know what's happening or

1598
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:54,299
it's just there's nothing they could do

1599
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:56,760
and it happened so fast

1600
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,819
right yeah and and the scary part to me

1601
01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,720
is

1602
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:02,579
um you know they're in the reports and

1603
01:02:08,809 --> 01:02:06,900
in in my interviews and I experienced it

1604
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,819
um one night at my house coming back

1605
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,380
from the scariest night on the ranch and

1606
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,760
that's where we had that disembodied

1607
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,680
electrical voice basically warning us to

1608
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:15,119
keep our mouth shut

1609
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:16,680
um also was in the report which was

1610
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:18,780
mind-blowing to see the actual quote

1611
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,819
from that but um

1612
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,799
and it was very mechanical sounding like

1613
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:24,960
almost robotic and all the power in the

1614
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:26,339
house was out and it came out of every

1615
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,440
orifice in the house you know we have

1616
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:30,000
allowed you to remain your friends will

1617
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,319
be instructed to remain silent

1618
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:32,940
concerning us blah blah I'm thinking was

1619
01:02:37,150 --> 01:02:34,920
that the military scaring us and why

1620
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:37,160
would they do that that's another theory

1621
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:39,720
if it was the military trying to scare

1622
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,200
us that property sat bacon for like 10

1623
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:44,880
years they could have purchased the

1624
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:46,980
property yeah why would they go through

1625
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:49,680
all this elaborate hoaxing and all this

1626
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,040
trouble to acquire the property and for

1627
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:55,980
what like it none of that makes any

1628
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:59,520
sense to me but um you know these guys

1629
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,559
being out there

1630
01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:03,839
um the Mind Control kind of thing it

1631
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:06,299
makes you wonder like

1632
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,819
so many things were reported like

1633
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,980
people were paralyzed I went paralyzed

1634
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,720
that night the people in The Ranch House

1635
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:15,180
were paralyzed and if they have the

1636
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,579
ability to do that that's pretty

1637
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,680
terrifying and then you throw in you

1638
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:21,180
know David Pilates work with missing

1639
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,460
4011 and then it gets really scary you

1640
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,380
know are they taking people and the

1641
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:27,359
types of people they're taking you know

1642
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,059
German physicists I mean what's that all

1643
01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:32,160
about you know that's to me that's

1644
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:33,780
terrifying

1645
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:36,540
um that that could be connected

1646
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,660
too yeah it and it's mental because it

1647
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:41,700
depends on the person even here in BC we

1648
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:44,040
had a I think his name is Taylor Granger

1649
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:46,920
or Granger Taylor either or I'm bad with

1650
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,380
names but he was a person that was

1651
01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:51,359
talking to people around town saying he

1652
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:54,299
was receiving Communications from Aliens

1653
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,760
but he was incredibly smart he was

1654
01:04:00,349 --> 01:03:58,740
rebuilding things in his yard all the

1655
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,359
time he even built a flying saucer in

1656
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:02,280
his backyard which he ended up sleeping

1657
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:04,260
in and he was talking about propulsion

1658
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:08,460
and this advanced stuff and uh he told

1659
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,440
his friends one rainy night that he was

1660
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,940
leaving that was the last thing that

1661
01:04:15,289 --> 01:04:13,200
they've ever heard from him was that he

1662
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,299
said he was leaving that night and sure

1663
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:17,520
enough there was a storm that night and

1664
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:19,260
it was a big loud bang his car was found

1665
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:21,900
the next or was never found I think and

1666
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,880
he just disappeared off the map he never

1667
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,160
reappeared again so that's what's scary

1668
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:28,079
yeah that's that's where you're like

1669
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,220
okay I'm glad they're bringing the

1670
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:30,960
cattle back bring some of these people

1671
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:33,299
back yeah yeah

1672
01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:34,980
um so this was really quick and we'll

1673
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:36,359
finish this up here

1674
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:38,579
um this was an interesting email I got

1675
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,020
from Bob Salas

1676
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:41,760
um I again spoke with him at a

1677
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,180
conference and he was telling me that um

1678
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:47,880
and basically he said and also Richard

1679
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,660
he said hey you should foia the um

1680
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,480
the agricultural Office of the Air Force

1681
01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:56,760
which is also very interesting and I

1682
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,260
still need to do that I'm gonna get on

1683
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:00,660
that I promise but why the agricultural

1684
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:02,220
office and is that tied into the

1685
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,260
mutilations another question I have but

1686
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:06,960
he said basically in Cascade County in

1687
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,280
Montana in the 70s he served served on a

1688
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,720
special team secretly funded by the

1689
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,460
Department of Agriculture so there it is

1690
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,380
again and and Richard Doty had mentioned

1691
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:18,240
that the purpose of which was determine

1692
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:20,040
the cause of many cattle mutilations UFO

1693
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:21,900
sightings and Bigfoot reports he was

1694
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:23,700
asked many times to polygraph tests of

1695
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:26,099
Airmen stationed at Malmstrom who had

1696
01:05:31,789 --> 01:05:29,400
seen UFOs and one letter she states I am

1697
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,799
an artist and in 1977 was called to the

1698
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:33,839
Sheriff's Office to draw a picture of

1699
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:35,579
Bigfoot from an eyewitness who passed

1700
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,260
the polygraph this is confirmation for

1701
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:39,359
your story he also recommended this

1702
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:40,980
really great book mystery stocks a

1703
01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:43,140
prairie unexplained cattle killings and

1704
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:46,260
UFOs in Montana by Keith Wolverton but

1705
01:05:50,049 --> 01:05:48,420
the photo next to the book The One there

1706
01:05:53,089 --> 01:05:50,059
on the right side

1707
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:53,099
the one closer to the book was in the

1708
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,020
file from the Albert County Ranch that

1709
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,359
was a Sasquatch creature seen on that

1710
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:00,420
property it was in Dr sprinkle's

1711
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:03,420
archives the one on the left was the one

1712
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:05,160
that Bob Salas sent me from Montana

1713
01:06:11,150 --> 01:06:08,940
around the same year in Montana I don't

1714
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:11,160
know about you guys but look at the nose

1715
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:15,240
the eyes the mouth the the the scarce

1716
01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:17,460
little hair like the hair is not like

1717
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:19,260
super thick like you would think of a

1718
01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:21,420
Bigfoot you know what I'm saying they're

1719
01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:24,359
so similar in the way they appear and

1720
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,760
when I was a little girl my mom would

1721
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,559
refer to the Sasquatch scene out there

1722
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:30,480
on the ranch as white fuzzies because

1723
01:06:35,089 --> 01:06:32,520
they were gray in color they were not

1724
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,099
black or brown they were gray and she

1725
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:36,960
called them white fuzzies I think so I

1726
01:06:43,210 --> 01:06:40,020
wasn't so afraid of them you know

1727
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:43,220
sounded less scary so again

1728
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,500
all these interconnected phenomenon

1729
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,200
going on at the time and uh this was

1730
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:51,359
another thing South arama where that

1731
01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:53,460
calf was mutilated mysterious blanket of

1732
01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:55,260
metal found in the field and there's a

1733
01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:57,660
photograph of it and in this article it

1734
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,720
says you know it was taken to be tested

1735
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,160
who knows where this medal is this metal

1736
01:07:05,710 --> 01:07:03,839
material looks like nothing I've ever

1737
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:05,720
seen before

1738
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,720
blanket of metal it almost has uh um you

1739
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:11,640
know the the mylar material that you see

1740
01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:13,500
from the Jesse Marcel photo that's what

1741
01:07:17,809 --> 01:07:15,240
comes to mind blanket being something

1742
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,819
flexible and you know of decent enough

1743
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:20,400
size that's and what year is this 1975

1744
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:25,440
yep yep 1975 July 3rd 1975 during this

1745
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:28,859
whole High strangeness time you know and

1746
01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:31,020
and um I'm gonna stop sharing my screen

1747
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:33,960
oh here's the ETS uh this one last thing

1748
01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:35,700
um the image on your right with the

1749
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:37,619
tubes that come out this was in Dr

1750
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:39,780
sprinkles archives from

1751
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,420
the being that was seen on the ranch he

1752
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:44,400
was very unusual looking with these

1753
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:47,339
wrinkles these big almond dyes but not

1754
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,900
the wrap around eyes like we so often

1755
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:50,940
see with the Grays wrinkles around the

1756
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,700
mouth you have these tubes

1757
01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:55,200
um this weird looking

1758
01:07:58,970 --> 01:07:57,240
protective thing over his chest and

1759
01:08:02,510 --> 01:07:58,980
these spindly arms and these spindly

1760
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:02,520
legs and I had invited a guest speaker

1761
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,920
to speak for Colorado mufon

1762
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,480
like three or four years into my

1763
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,760
investigation of this property and I had

1764
01:08:12,109 --> 01:08:10,559
never shared this drawing with anybody I

1765
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:12,119
just kind of kept it in my desk to see

1766
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:13,740
if I could ever find anything similar to

1767
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:15,539
it and I'm sitting in the third row

1768
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,339
watching a gentleman named Sean Bartok

1769
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:19,739
who wrote a book about a property he

1770
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:22,980
owned in Castle Rock Colorado during the

1771
01:08:27,709 --> 01:08:25,739
same time and come to find out his

1772
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,719
property was 14 miles away from the

1773
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:30,239
ranch property of my youth and the one

1774
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:32,460
the drawing on the left was the drawing

1775
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,160
of of aliens they encountered during

1776
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:37,440
that same time the heavy brow same shape

1777
01:08:43,390 --> 01:08:40,620
eyes these these tubes are in his neck

1778
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,400
but he said they came out and in fact

1779
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,839
there is another drawing of Sean's where

1780
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:47,520
the tubes came out

1781
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:50,580
from the neck wow that's weird so these

1782
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:53,100
these two drawings are from two separate

1783
01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:55,380
people who knew nothing of each other 14

1784
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,259
miles apart decades later

1785
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:01,020
and I they're really really similar

1786
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:02,940
so

1787
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,600
of a diet like different dimension like

1788
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,940
it doesn't look alien it's just its

1789
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:10,799
shape in the way that uh it's drawn

1790
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,859
looks yeah I did a composite of the two

1791
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:15,660
because they're so similar I overlaid

1792
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:17,160
them and kind of composited them

1793
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,380
together and I'm wondering to me they

1794
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,120
look AI

1795
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,580
um artificial intelligence perhaps um

1796
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:25,199
and the reason I said that is because I

1797
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,699
I was at the grocery store and I saw

1798
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,560
this and I thought oh my God the tubes

1799
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:30,480
maybe that's what they were like are

1800
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,040
they some sort of AI and then I thought

1801
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:34,920
about the mechanical voices that you

1802
01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:38,819
know the boxes could they be robotic in

1803
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:40,199
nature because that voice that came

1804
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:42,600
through the speaker was very robotic in

1805
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,660
nature so oh so much there's so much

1806
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:47,759
more we didn't even touch on all the

1807
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,620
hitchhiker phenomenon and all that it

1808
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:51,779
just goes on and on and on and on it's

1809
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,920
unreal

1810
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,380
I just you know I I'm doing this full

1811
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:58,020
time now I used to have a graphic design

1812
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:00,060
studio and I just do this full-time

1813
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:03,000
because I mean I could spend the rest of

1814
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:05,160
my life trying to unravel this mystery

1815
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:08,040
even though it was so many years ago and

1816
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,440
what I just learned recently is you know

1817
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:12,719
meeting these locals in the local bar

1818
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:14,280
and another reason why it's important to

1819
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,380
actually get out and meet people this is

1820
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,000
still going on at the state even the

1821
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,400
Sasquatch somebody literally had their

1822
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,040
cell phone and like we my brother and I

1823
01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:26,159
were out in Albert County we're hunting

1824
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:27,480
um elk

1825
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,460
and look what we captured in this

1826
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,480
photograph

1827
01:10:34,189 --> 01:10:32,640
and I was like why aren't you getting

1828
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:34,199
rich off of this Photograph you could

1829
01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:36,540
see the Elk Lane in the photo so you

1830
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,340
have size comparison to this big

1831
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,460
Sasquatch creature in the photo and this

1832
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,440
just happened he didn't give you a copy

1833
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:45,540
no I'm gonna go meet with him and his

1834
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:48,960
wife and do an official yeah and then

1835
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,520
he's like oh yeah and then this was on

1836
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:52,500
the back of a property it says like blue

1837
01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:54,360
beam of light it was not a helicopter it

1838
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,580
was not a plane no sound just coming

1839
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,620
down in the tree line I'm like you've

1840
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:01,260
got to be kidding me this stuff is still

1841
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:04,260
going on you know yeah and it's you know

1842
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,780
it's just a matter of time now before we

1843
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:08,400
have another huge incident I think we're

1844
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:12,000
interviewing Sean uh heard tomorrow

1845
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,420
um and yeah he's he witnessed in 1997 it

1846
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:18,719
was a 97 right the the Phoenix Lights uh

1847
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:23,100
and it seems weird but 77 87 and you

1848
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:24,780
know 2007 like it just seems like

1849
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:27,239
there's a repeated yeah because it's 77

1850
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:29,400
so much UFO activity took place I only

1851
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:30,900
remember that year because that's when

1852
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:33,420
Star Wars came out okay yeah yeah me too

1853
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:34,739
and Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1854
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:37,080
exactly which is so funny because I'm

1855
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,219
you know I'm a little girl thinking

1856
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:40,080
that's a documentary all these years it

1857
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:41,460
was until just recently I was like wait

1858
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:43,140
a minute not everybody thought about

1859
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:45,900
that you know it's as fictitious as it

1860
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:47,219
is it's still probably one of the

1861
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:49,560
closest movie to the actual phenomenon

1862
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,420
that there is you know what I mean it's

1863
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,480
crazy but yeah no so 77 was a huge year

1864
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:55,920
because even in Brazil they were having

1865
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,900
those uh little orbs that were zapping

1866
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,239
people and making them anemic and a

1867
01:12:04,189 --> 01:12:01,860
couple people died and I mean there was

1868
01:12:06,649 --> 01:12:04,199
just a very active year so when I saw

1869
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,659
that Sasquatch strong that you just

1870
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:08,880
showed us and they said in 1977 I was

1871
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:10,500
called I'm like of course you did like

1872
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,840
right it's just crazy here yeah and I

1873
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,580
think it's James Keenan who had

1874
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,280
mentioned these cycles of it's It's

1875
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,460
almost like if you did a graph like it

1876
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,860
quiets down it amps up it quiets down it

1877
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:24,840
amps up and I think James took a good

1878
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:27,780
look at that and and kind of theorized

1879
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:29,580
that perhaps these are going with our

1880
01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:32,460
solar Cycles or you know the position of

1881
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,739
Earth and the magnetic fields the

1882
01:12:39,169 --> 01:12:36,960
magnetic anomalies all these things we

1883
01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:39,179
need our you know best and brightest

1884
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:41,219
looking at all these different

1885
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:43,020
connections that these high strangest

1886
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:45,420
locations have and I think that's so why

1887
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,460
it's so critical you know the Colorado

1888
01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:49,920
Ranch isn't a very well-known Ranch and

1889
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,739
it predates the Skinwalker Ranch

1890
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:55,080
um but there's so much documentation on

1891
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,699
it there's so many articles about it

1892
01:13:00,649 --> 01:12:59,040
there's so many witnesses to it

1893
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:00,659
um you know there's that military

1894
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,320
connection to it this this Ranch is an

1895
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:06,000
important piece of this puzzle and I

1896
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:07,800
think it's so important that all these

1897
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:10,560
different locations really try to work

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01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:14,100
together and not get so I you know I

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01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:15,600
don't want to say commercialized about

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01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:19,560
it but sort of like you know for me it's

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01:13:25,070 --> 01:13:22,020
finding the answers period bottom line

1902
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:25,080
you know it's all wonderful and great to

1903
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:26,699
write a book and go do a show or

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01:13:30,350 --> 01:13:28,500
whatever but that's the only way to get

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01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,360
the information out there so you can get

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01:13:33,890 --> 01:13:32,280
other more data and more information and

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01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:33,900
then at some point I always joke about

1908
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:35,580
it but it's really no joke because I've

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01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:37,140
had a couple interesting encounters

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01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:39,540
already with people that maybe are

1911
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,640
watching what I'm saying and I say if

1912
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:43,440
one day you ask me to be on the show and

1913
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,000
I'm like I'm sorry I'm not doing this

1914
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:48,000
anymore I'm you know baking a cake in my

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01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:49,440
kitchen downstairs you'll know something

1916
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:52,500
happened they got the Katie they got it

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01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,840
got the big daughter

1918
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,360
no but I was yeah so just quickly before

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01:14:01,070 --> 01:13:59,400
we close I was just going to mention

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01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:01,080
um you know move on and the way things

1921
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,300
are right now with move on we have

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01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:05,699
always been a big supporter of mufon um

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01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,900
that's how I start with my

1924
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:08,640
investigations and although I haven't

1925
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,679
done anything with the organization in

1926
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,679
over a year uh we still support them we

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01:14:17,630 --> 01:14:15,600
have people on all the time they're part

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01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:17,640
of the organization and we keep telling

1929
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,400
uh the listener if you are out there and

1930
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:22,620
you want to join regardless of where you

1931
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:24,420
are in the in the world move on we'll

1932
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,340
make it happen you could become active

1933
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:28,560
and actually do something and contribute

1934
01:14:34,189 --> 01:14:32,640
to this um investigation and uh but it's

1935
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:34,199
it's been hard because a lot of people

1936
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:36,300
like you know Louie and I do some

1937
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,280
podcasts and radio shows every once in a

1938
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:39,840
while well I would say quite a bit these

1939
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:41,699
days but there's a lot of people sort of

1940
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,659
poo pooing on mufon and um because we

1941
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:47,520
have this plethora of

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01:14:51,709 --> 01:14:49,860
availability of this information from

1943
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:51,719
all these different sources podcasts and

1944
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:54,659
all that that it's easy to forget the

1945
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:56,760
people that were Pioneers in this and

1946
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,620
that sort of help establish a foundation

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01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:01,679
for data and collecting data and uh so

1948
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:03,780
yeah I just I just want to to say you

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01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:04,440
know

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01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:07,140
um if you had anything to to add to that

1951
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:10,140
just because I we fully support move on

1952
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:12,600
and they have not done anything for us

1953
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:15,360
yeah I totally get I think that's like

1954
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,340
the double-edged sort of you know we

1955
01:15:21,229 --> 01:15:19,560
mentioned all the positive things of

1956
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:21,239
social media and podcasts but there's

1957
01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:23,640
also the downside to it too and that's

1958
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,900
one of them

1959
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:26,400
um where you get

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01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:27,659
um you know

1961
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:30,360
not so much misinformation but I think I

1962
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,040
would like to tell people like the

1963
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:34,320
majority of people the vast majority of

1964
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:37,260
people within mufon they're volunteers

1965
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,640
they're doing it because they have a

1966
01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:40,080
passion for it they're interested in the

1967
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:41,460
topic and they're really good

1968
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:44,760
hard-working people and that's been my

1969
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:47,580
I've never met a person within mufon

1970
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:50,719
forget the drama at the top

1971
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,540
yeah you know through the years but you

1972
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,679
know they're just really good good

1973
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:56,640
people

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01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,280
um just doing what they can and and

1975
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:00,900
another thing you know being the

1976
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:03,600
administer for the Mars project which

1977
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,199
was you know from 1969 to when we went

1978
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:09,780
to the case management system all those

1979
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,640
paper reports

1980
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,679
um there was a team of 15 that kind of

1981
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:15,600
headed to redact all the sensitive

1982
01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:17,159
information out of their you know names

1983
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:19,080
phone numbers addresses places of

1984
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:21,480
employment medical anything medical

1985
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:25,320
sensitive and the the goal was to make

1986
01:16:29,209 --> 01:16:27,780
these reports available to the public to

1987
01:16:30,770 --> 01:16:29,219
share these reports all of mufons

1988
01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:30,780
archives because I think

1989
01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:33,719
some people like get mad at mufon like

1990
01:16:37,930 --> 01:16:34,980
you're hoarding all this data but you're

1991
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:37,940
not doing anything with it and and that

1992
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,500
ramped up again oh Debbie ziegelmeyer

1993
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:42,480
Chuck sakowski's sister

1994
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:45,300
um Bob spiering and a team of us were

1995
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,780
were moving that project forward so we

1996
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:51,600
can meet that goal to actually get a lot

1997
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:52,860
of this data out I think that's

1998
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:55,860
important role mufon has for the people

1999
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:57,239
um you know it's nothing that we want to

2000
01:17:01,610 --> 01:16:59,340
keep hidden because it's valuable

2001
01:17:03,229 --> 01:17:01,620
research information and and maybe some

2002
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,239
people think you won't find a lot of

2003
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:04,800
answers and looking at all of these

2004
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:06,060
cases

2005
01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:08,100
um but I think there is valuable data

2006
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:10,140
there that people can take a look at and

2007
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,640
you know get the best and brightest

2008
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,440
looking at this data and do something

2009
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:16,080
with it so you know like any

2010
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:17,520
organization you're going to have the

2011
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:20,699
drama and um just got to keep your head

2012
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:23,400
down do what you enjoy yeah so just

2013
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:26,760
directly when I I joined I think like a

2014
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:29,219
month later Jen arson

2015
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:32,280
case blew up and I was like ah man like

2016
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:34,739
I just joined the organization yeah it

2017
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,780
just looks bad but I've been fighting

2018
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,920
you know I've been fighting everybody

2019
01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:39,659
that has been saying something about it

2020
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:41,400
I always try to defend the organization

2021
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:44,100
because it is the people like you and uh

2022
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,780
you know uh Shane that's coming on like

2023
01:17:50,510 --> 01:17:47,760
it's the actual researchers doing the

2024
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,520
real work Stacy right in Phoenix I mean

2025
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,560
we there's so many great people so many

2026
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:54,900
people Mindy tail Fest in Oklahoma yeah

2027
01:17:58,189 --> 01:17:56,580
I mean they're just out there doing what

2028
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,199
they love to do and they're all good

2029
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:59,760
friends they're like a second family to

2030
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:01,560
me and you know then you have the whole

2031
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:03,900
government you know government they're

2032
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,040
run by whoever and um that may or may

2033
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,320
not be true I don't know I don't think

2034
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,320
that it is quite frankly but even if the

2035
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:15,120
government took a look or atip Lou

2036
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:17,400
Alexander whoever's looked at mufon's

2037
01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:18,239
data

2038
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:20,520
I I look at it from the perspective is

2039
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:22,679
we're flying secretive things up there

2040
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:24,540
and it doesn't surprise me that they

2041
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:25,800
would be interested in knowing what

2042
01:18:29,649 --> 01:18:27,179
people are reporting because they want

2043
01:18:33,169 --> 01:18:29,659
to know if we're reporting secret

2044
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:33,179
aircraft or secret drones or whatever so

2045
01:18:36,890 --> 01:18:35,400
it makes sense to me and I think of it

2046
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:36,900
as kind of like a good thing well good

2047
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:38,760
they're like paying attention to what

2048
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:41,400
people are seeing in the skies and we do

2049
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:43,500
need to keep secrets right from other

2050
01:18:48,250 --> 01:18:45,300
countries I mean that's just part of the

2051
01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:48,260
deal you know so I kind of

2052
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:50,520
yeah go back and forth on that whole

2053
01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:52,920
thing well there's again it's within

2054
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:55,140
reason and and logic like you know

2055
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:56,400
obviously I understand that there's

2056
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,739
flying crafts that are amazing but when

2057
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,199
people are reporting these uh triangles

2058
01:19:05,090 --> 01:19:02,880
and with like the three lights on the

2059
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:05,100
corner red light in the center all over

2060
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:07,620
the world right right all over the

2061
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:09,960
planet I doubt that the US is flying

2062
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,780
multiple size crafts like that all over

2063
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:14,640
the world to try to see if it's spotted

2064
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:17,340
because if they are they suck at it too

2065
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,620
many people seeing them right so I

2066
01:19:24,590 --> 01:19:21,360
understand there's a secretive aspect to

2067
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,600
the military but there's too much

2068
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:27,120
things fly in our airspace that don't

2069
01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:30,600
make logic or Reason to the homo sapien

2070
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:33,179
species that it defies our understanding

2071
01:19:38,689 --> 01:19:35,940
of physics and reality and there's no

2072
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:38,699
way that in another adult like we're all

2073
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,920
adults here there's no another adult has

2074
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:42,480
figured out how to make that and they

2075
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:44,640
have kept it silent there's no way right

2076
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:47,940
100 and I you know I came in kind of as

2077
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,280
a skeptic or not so much a skeptic but a

2078
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,080
lot of my thought at the time when I

2079
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,719
came in was this was probably mostly our

2080
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:56,640
own our military out there doing

2081
01:20:02,330 --> 01:19:59,940
whatever and it took me a lot of years

2082
01:20:04,250 --> 01:20:02,340
to see a lot of these really fabulous

2083
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:04,260
cases where you're like okay wait a

2084
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:06,780
minute this is this is not us and I'll

2085
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:08,699
never forget I don't know it's maybe six

2086
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:10,980
seven months ago now I took another trip

2087
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,380
down to Albuquerque to do some research

2088
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:16,080
at The Archives and Dave Dave marlar who

2089
01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:18,420
by the way is the triangle expert so you

2090
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:19,980
know I recommend his book on triangles

2091
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:22,800
on that topic but um there was two big

2092
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:25,320
boxes sitting on his table and he's like

2093
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:27,900
hey Katie all of those reports in these

2094
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:30,840
two boxes are nothing but pilot reports

2095
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:34,140
military and civilian pilots and I just

2096
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,260
started like whoa you can't tell me

2097
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,560
there's nothing going on no right no

2098
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,239
there's something going on and like I

2099
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:44,400
said if it's military and they have that

2100
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:45,900
much David Marler has that much

2101
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:48,000
information they really suck at keeping

2102
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:50,100
secrets right or there's something else

2103
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,060
going on

2104
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:53,280
Katie it's an awesome it's just always

2105
01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:55,140
awesome to have you on and we'll have

2106
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:56,280
you on again because there's just so

2107
01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:58,020
much we can talk with you about I mean

2108
01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:00,840
this this subject is so I I read a

2109
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:03,480
comment online uh not too long ago Louis

2110
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,360
that somebody said that UAP podcasts or

2111
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:09,360
related UFO podcasts run short and run

2112
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:10,679
out because there's nothing to talk

2113
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,159
about and I was like okay yeah exactly

2114
01:21:17,930 --> 01:21:16,080
there's always lots to talk oh there's

2115
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,940
plenty to talk about I gotta update you

2116
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,440
on everything that happened at the ranch

2117
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:21,659
when I know people too oh my goodness

2118
01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:24,900
yeah yeah once your production releases

2119
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:26,699
come on back and let's chat about it

2120
01:21:29,630 --> 01:21:28,380
yeah we do want to thank you we know

2121
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,640
you're busy you're doing a lot of things

2122
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,159
both with mufon and contact in the

2123
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:34,080
desert so thank you for giving a bit of

2124
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:36,060
time uh you're always welcome here and

2125
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:37,500
we want to turn it over to our viewers

2126
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:38,760
what did you think of today's episode

2127
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:40,860
what are your thoughts on all this High

2128
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:43,020
strangeness Associated uh leave a

2129
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:45,659
comment in the comment section and if

2130
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:47,340
you're a fan of our shows please do us a

2131
01:21:50,990 --> 01:21:49,260
favor like And subscribe it really makes

2132
01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:51,000
a difference we're Canadian I think you

2133
01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,679
YouTube screwing us somehow we're not

2134
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:55,080
getting the the followers we should I I

2135
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:56,699
get so many messages from people saying

2136
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,679
how do you not have more subscribers so

2137
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,600
fairly new channel maybe it's just time

2138
01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:02,880
but if you could do a sad solid we do

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really appreciate it and uh thanks again

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Katie page thank you good luck to you

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and we'd love to chat with you again

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soon and just quickly Katie where can

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people find you oh yeah they could go to

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k-a-t-i-e-p-a-i-g-e dot net or dot org

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um either one and that's my website and

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you can message me there perfect Katie

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thank you so much for coming on the

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